Comments on: The Ogre http://eastweststation.com/blog/2008/03/21/the-ogre/ Musings and Bladderment from One Fat Englishman Out East Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:33:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Liberation Poetry « http://eastweststation.com/blog/2008/03/21/the-ogre/#comment-3821 Liberation Poetry « Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:05:22 +0000 http://eastweststation.com/blog/2008/03/21/the-ogre/#comment-3821 [...] occurs to me that I should. Today, that message was delivered in the form of a poetic analogy on another blog that links, by way of poet WH Auden, the recent events in Tibet with the Soviet invasion following [...] […] occurs to me that I should. Today, that message was delivered in the form of a poetic analogy on another blog that links, by way of poet WH Auden, the recent events in Tibet with the Soviet invasion following […]

]]> By: stoogie http://eastweststation.com/blog/2008/03/21/the-ogre/#comment-3818 stoogie Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:28:26 +0000 http://eastweststation.com/blog/2008/03/21/the-ogre/#comment-3818 here is good read, an essay by Melvyn C. Goldstein, Tibet, China and the United States: Reflections on the Tibet Question. (http://omni.cc.purdue.edu/~wtv/tibet/article/art4.html). Even though I disagree with some of his views on history but it is fairly balanced, it detailed the on-going negotiations between the government and the Tibetan exiles. And here is an extract: "the exile government was deeply committed to the recreation of a "Greater" Tibet, that is to say a Tibet that included traditional political Tibet and ethnographic Tibet. This had been a goal of previous Tibetan governments (e.g., at the Simla talks in 1913-1914) and was deeply felt, but it was especially important in exile because of the presence of large numbers of Tibetan refugees from those ethnic areas. The Dalai Lama had worked hard since 1959 to meld the disparate refugees into a unified community by including these Tibetans in the exile government as equals, and by setting as a fundamental political objective the inclusion of their areas in a future "free" Tibet. However, the goal of a Greater Tibet was not politically realistic. Tibet had not ruled most of these areas for a century or more, and it is difficult to see how China could have handed over large areas in Sichuan, Qinghai, Gansu and Yunnan, many of which included Chinese and Chinese Muslim populations that had migrated there well before the communists came to power in 1949." Here u go ... here is good read, an essay by Melvyn C. Goldstein, Tibet, China and the United States: Reflections on the Tibet Question. (http://omni.cc.purdue.edu/~wtv/tibet/article/art4.html).

Even though I disagree with some of his views on history but it is fairly balanced, it detailed the on-going negotiations between the government and the Tibetan exiles. And here is an extract:

“the exile government was deeply committed to the recreation of a “Greater” Tibet, that is to say a Tibet that included traditional political Tibet and ethnographic Tibet. This had been a goal of previous Tibetan governments (e.g., at the Simla talks in 1913-1914) and was deeply felt, but it was especially important in exile because of the presence of large numbers of Tibetan refugees from those ethnic areas. The Dalai Lama had worked hard since 1959 to meld the disparate refugees into a unified community by including these Tibetans in the exile government as equals, and by setting as a fundamental political objective the inclusion of their areas in a future “free” Tibet. However, the goal of a Greater Tibet was not politically realistic. Tibet had not ruled most of these areas for a century or more, and it is difficult to see how China could have handed over large areas in Sichuan, Qinghai, Gansu and Yunnan, many of which included Chinese and Chinese Muslim populations that had migrated there well before the communists came to power in 1949.”

Here u go …

]]> By: Craig http://eastweststation.com/blog/2008/03/21/the-ogre/#comment-3816 Craig Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:22:15 +0000 http://eastweststation.com/blog/2008/03/21/the-ogre/#comment-3816 The Dali Lama is a thug. Plain and simple. He's on the black list here in Bloomington, IN of all places, for tax evasion and a long list of petty financial crimes like illegal land purchases and fraud. His nephews beat up IU freshman- it's ridiculous. Having had personal experiences with his family, i am much the wiser. Conspiracy theory, nah, just too typical. The Dali Lama is a thug. Plain and simple. He’s on the black list here in Bloomington, IN of all places, for tax evasion and a long list of petty financial crimes like illegal land purchases and fraud. His nephews beat up IU freshman- it’s ridiculous. Having had personal experiences with his family, i am much the wiser. Conspiracy theory, nah, just too typical.

]]> By: Ryan http://eastweststation.com/blog/2008/03/21/the-ogre/#comment-3770 Ryan Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:51:16 +0000 http://eastweststation.com/blog/2008/03/21/the-ogre/#comment-3770 Why is it that such a concrete argument as that is not likely to see the light of day? That's the part I just don't understand about politics in general and Chinese politics in particular - it's all so personal. I'm not saying our leaders should be machines that don't have human emotions and failings, but seriously... holding a grudge against someone that could help to bring lasting and meaningful peace to a situation that has long, long, LONG been hugely volatile just doesn't make sense... (also, just checking that comments are working - things are all moved over) Why is it that such a concrete argument as that is not likely to see the light of day? That’s the part I just don’t understand about politics in general and Chinese politics in particular - it’s all so personal.

I’m not saying our leaders should be machines that don’t have human emotions and failings, but seriously… holding a grudge against someone that could help to bring lasting and meaningful peace to a situation that has long, long, LONG been hugely volatile just doesn’t make sense…

(also, just checking that comments are working - things are all moved over)

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